# Ellipse GUI Shadow Render Behavior is a bit unexpected

**URL:** <https://forum.babylonjs.com/t/ellipse-gui-shadow-render-behavior-is-a-bit-unexpected/9052>\
**Category:** Bugs\
**Created:** [March 8, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.babylonjs.com/t/ellipse-gui-shadow-render-behavior-is-a-bit-unexpected/9052 "2020-03-08T19:53:26Z")\
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**Author:** ![Calsa](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex024/user_avatar/forum.babylonjs.com/calsa/32/4330_2.png) [@Calsa](https://forum.babylonjs.com/u/Calsa)\
**Post date:** [March 8, 2020, 7:53pm UTC](https://forum.babylonjs.com/t/ellipse-gui-shadow-render-behavior-is-a-bit-unexpected/9052/1 "2020-03-08T19:53:26Z")

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Not so much a bug, but just unexpected behavior

On the GUI Ellipse Element, Shadows will NOT render unless a background color is set (not shadow color, but actual background color).

Would be nice to make “open” circles with a shadow, but right now not possible.

[https://www.babylonjs-playground.com/#XCPP9Y#2000](https://www.babylonjs-playground.com/#XCPP9Y#2000)

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**Author:** ![sebavan](https://sea2.discourse-cdn.com/flex024/user_avatar/forum.babylonjs.com/sebavan/32/57_2.png) [@sebavan](https://forum.babylonjs.com/u/sebavan)\
**Post date:** [March 9, 2020, 12:04pm UTC](https://forum.babylonjs.com/t/ellipse-gui-shadow-render-behavior-is-a-bit-unexpected/9052/2 "2020-03-09T12:04:12Z")

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Looking into the code, it looks like it is actually by design and I am afraid of introducing regressions by changing it. If you are not in a hurry I guess we should wait next monday to take advices from @Deltakosh on this one. I feel bad to not take the decision but Gui is definitely his baby 🙂