# How to simulate cloud shadows on the ground (no actual clouds needed)

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**Category:** Questions\
**Tags:** clouds, shadow\
**Created:** [November 16, 2024, 2:27am UTC](https://forum.babylonjs.com/t/how-to-simulate-cloud-shadows-on-the-ground-no-actual-clouds-needed/54798 "2024-11-16T02:27:05Z")\
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Self shadowing is a problem with exponential shadow map. See:

> [@Blur exponential Shadowmaps generating a self-shadow that can't be fixed with bias](https://forum.babylonjs.com/t/blur-exponential-shadowmaps-generating-a-self-shadow-that-cant-be-fixed-with-bias/3703/2):
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> Exponential shadow map might get really tricky to get self shadow, I would recommend to use percentage CloserFiltering: [https://www.babylonjs-playground.com/#JPVT2W#2](https://www.babylonjs-playground.com/#JPVT2W#2) or PCSS in this case. In case you really want to use ESM, you can try the close ESM instead : [https://www.babylonjs-playground.com/#JPVT2W#3](https://www.babylonjs-playground.com/#JPVT2W#3)

What you can try is to use close exponential instead, and set the shadow min/max values to appropriate values:

> **[Babylon.js Playground](https://playground.babylonjs.com/#ILEAN1%236)**
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> Babylon.js playground is a live editor for Babylon.js WebGL and WebGPU 3D scenes

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